The Sims 4: no toddlers & no pools.

princess1404 wrote:This comes from an official Sims 4 blog post:   

“And though pool building won’t be available in September, we do have a new Fountain Tool so you can create sophisticated landscapes. Whether you were a novice builder in The Sims 3, or an experienced pro, I really think you’re going to love The Sims 4’s build mode.”
 
“And while we recognize that some of you will be disappointed that pools and toddlers won’t be available when The Sims 4 Base Game launches in September, you should know that we’re building an incredibly strong foundation that is capable of fulfilling every one of your desires in the years to come. The future of is bright!”


This game is too rushed if they can't even include the basic life stages and freaking pools. Like come on! EA should just postpone the game until the Sims team gets their ish together. This game had better not lag and have all those crazy issues. This is the reasoning behind leaving out these things:



Also, there will be no create a style tool. So yeah this is not going to be good. And people are paying $60 for this?    Thank god I don't have to pay for this thing! Thank you games4theworld!!!!!!  

Sounds like lots of "fun", lol. Although I guess that these features will be "re-added" in later expansions. Or who knows: there may be even "toddler" and "pool" DLC ?   . Things like that are very common nowadays: you really need to buy or pirate tons of DLCs or expansions to have a "full" game - it's all about making money. 

And yes, most likely there will be the same issues as in The Sims 3. It would be too crazy if that wouldn't be the case.    

I "fixed" the link in your post too, so that it now shows the picture directly.   

princess1404 wrote:Thank you for fixing my link.

The base game is gonna be so incomplete. I won't start playing it until at least 1 or 2 expansion packs come out. Here are some other stuff it gonnna be missing:

1)Private schools
2)basements
3)streetcars and steamboats don’t function at all
4)teens, young adults, adults and elders are all the same height and model, so there are essentially only 3 unique models in the game (baby, child, adult)…like THE SIMS 1!

 

That's just embarassing.    But I'd like to know what is supposed to be "better" in The Sims 4, compared to The Sims 3 anyway ? The CAS, and the "intuitive" build-mode ? 

Margaret Pendragon wrote:I use the hell out of CASt to this day for the clothes my sims wear, and most objects and textures I used to build their homes. The open world and CASt remain some of my favorite features of Sims 3. If CASt was laggy, someone else in this thread had the idea for adding an "advanced settings" option instead of having everything load automatically for those that didn't want it. Would that have been so terribly hard? Instead of just axeing ****, why not fix it and make it better? Sims 4 has almost no value in the series at all. Sims 1 was groundbreaking. Sims 2 vastly expanded our gameplay. Sims 3 brought me features that I'm no longer willing to play without. 

kidrock2k12 wrote:i dont know where u got this info i aint seen it in the release vid theres toddlers and pools

EA wrote:And while we recognize that some of you will be disappointed that pools and toddlers won’t be available when The Sims 4 Base Game launches in September, you should know that we’re building an incredibly strong foundation that is capable of fulfilling every one of your desires in the years to come. The future of The Sims 4 is bright!

vgchat wrote:Well I found story progression and pools. That's all. Good night. If anyone was wondering about pics... Here:

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vgchat wrote:Well I found story progression and pools. That's all. Good night. If anyone was wondering about pics... Here:

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J.T. wrote:
What you have shown is more than likely the foundation files for the expansions of toddlers and pools. Like Carlos said, they don't mean much, unless they have been clearly implemented in The Sims 4 gameplay.

TehCupcakes wrote:I think people are making too big of a deal out of this and aren't seeing it from the game developer's perspective. I for one play the Sims primarily for the character interaction, the exploration, and such. While the customization of CAS and build mode adds are very nice touches, they are not the core of the game. Think about it this way: If you reduced build mode and CAS to the low customization options of a standard RPG, the Sims would still be a playable and fairly decent series. It wouldn't stand out nearly as much, but it would be playable. On the flip side, if you remove the character interactions, the mood bar, etc... there's not really much of a game left. Just a dollhouse of colors and objects.

EA has decided to focus on the core of the game first. This is NOT bad, it just means that the Sims 4 will lack a bit of the customization glitter at launch. However, this is muuuuuch easier for them to add in later on than new game mechanics (i.e. emotions). People act like they "took out" toddlers and pools, but they were never in the game! This is an entirely new game with a new engine, built from the ground up. Because of the different game mechanics, many of the simple objects have to be redesigned so that sims can interact with them appropriately.

I don't think it was so much a choice to leave out pools and toddlers as it was a lack of time. They were low on the priority list and EA had a deadline. But based on the high demand from users and the relative ease of implementation, I promise you they will bring pools back in some fashion. I would suspect it will even be a free update, unless they plan on doing something bigger with water that the Sims series hasn't seen yet. They also specified that CASt will "not be available at launch", and they even indicated that they themselves were disappointed by this! It will definitely be coming to the Sims 4 when the developers have had adequate time to get it right. Likewise, toddlers will probably be brought back, but that would most likely belong to a Generations-like expansion.

As a game developer, you have to pick and choose what you're going to focus on. EA recognized the potential for expanding on the Sims, so they wanted to do something different that would maximize their expanding potential. By changing up the core of the game, they have made the game so much more flexible for adding content on the surface. (Pools and CASt are "on the surface", fyi). I have bright hopes for the future of the Sims 4, and I know they are going to find a way to satisfy their fans with upcoming updates/expansions.

 

Carlos wrote:

TehCupcakes wrote:I think people are making too big of a deal out of this and aren't seeing it from the game developer's perspective. I for one play the Sims primarily for the character interaction, the exploration, and such. While the customization of CAS and build mode adds are very nice touches, they are not the core of the game. Think about it this way: If you reduced build mode and CAS to the low customization options of a standard RPG, the Sims would still be a playable and fairly decent series. It wouldn't stand out nearly as much, but it would be playable. On the flip side, if you remove the character interactions, the mood bar, etc... there's not really much of a game left. Just a dollhouse of colors and objects.

EA has decided to focus on the core of the game first. This is NOT bad, it just means that the Sims 4 will lack a bit of the customization glitter at launch. However, this is muuuuuch easier for them to add in later on than new game mechanics (i.e. emotions). People act like they "took out" toddlers and pools, but they were never in the game! This is an entirely new game with a new engine, built from the ground up. Because of the different game mechanics, many of the simple objects have to be redesigned so that sims can interact with them appropriately.

I don't think it was so much a choice to leave out pools and toddlers as it was a lack of time. They were low on the priority list and EA had a deadline. But based on the high demand from users and the relative ease of implementation, I promise you they will bring pools back in some fashion. I would suspect it will even be a free update, unless they plan on doing something bigger with water that the Sims series hasn't seen yet. They also specified that CASt will "not be available at launch", and they even indicated that they themselves were disappointed by this! It will definitely be coming to the Sims 4 when the developers have had adequate time to get it right. Likewise, toddlers will probably be brought back, but that would most likely belong to a Generations-like expansion.

As a game developer, you have to pick and choose what you're going to focus on. EA recognized the potential for expanding on the Sims, so they wanted to do something different that would maximize their expanding potential. By changing up the core of the game, they have made the game so much more flexible for adding content on the surface. (Pools and CASt are "on the surface", fyi). I have bright hopes for the future of the Sims 4, and I know they are going to find a way to satisfy their fans with upcoming updates/expansions.

Sure, it's not "bad". But whether it's worth the price is another (and the more essential, IMO) question. $60-$70 for such a game ? And whether or not toddlers or pools were "taken out" or "not planned at all" isn't that relevant either (besides, unless you are an insider, there is no certain way of knowing about things like that) - you could point out that as a "life"-simulation game, there should be essential features like toddlers, maybe not necessarily pools though.

Yes, in a way, there is room for "flexibility", if things are left out. We will have to see how well the emotions and interactions are implemented in the game.

And yes, now one could point out that pirates don't have a right to complain, and indeed, I'm personally looking forward to the expansions of TS4. But "against all odds", and despite EA and their lackeys, I'll still allow myself to complain. Just my opinion.